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Jan 18, 2023

From a Jewish Pope to a woman Pope, we are hearing all about the legendary popes from author Daniel Lavery. We talk about “The Rule of Harlots”, Dan Brown novels, and we pitch a production of a Young Pope Sheldon TV show. 


Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about or mentions of religious persecution, antisemitism, homophobia, kidnapping, death, childbirth, misogyny, hanging, suicide, gore/body horror, illness, genitalia, transphobia, 



Daniel Lavery is the cofounder of The Toast and the author of Something That May Shock and Discredit You.



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